Nobel Prize–winning economist Paul Krugman dropped the big, scary D-word in The New York Times yesterday."Depression," screamed the headline of Krugman's influential twice-weekly column screamed. It ended in a similarly dramatic manner: "[There will be] tens of millions of unemployed workers, many of whom will go jobless for years, and some of whom will never work again."
What set Krugman off was the G20 Summit in which the powers of Europe rejected Barack Obama's (and Krugman's) call for more government stimulus. Instead, they pushed for the opposite strategy: cuts in public spending and deficit reduction, as the way out of the worldwide economic slump.
It's possible the sting of European "sophisticates" endorsing an economic plan that would be welcomed by the Tea Party pushed Krugman, a liberal icon, to his wit's end, causing him to overstate his argument for impending depression.
Nevertheless, with an unemployment picture that hasn't improved over the past year, and a meager growth rate, which continues to be adjusted downward, there is some evidence that this lingering recession could turn into something worse.
We discuss some indicators for and against a depression below. First, however, we want to know if you're buying this renewed talk of economic disaster.
| Yup -- it's time to pay the piper | |
|---|---|
| Nope -- we'll start coming of this soon enough | |
| I don't know -- and I'm pretty sure the 'experts' don't know either |
Krugman Might Be Onto Something:
- Ever since the fall of Lehman in 2008, there has been just about no good economic news from anywhere in the world. That has to mean something.
- It's fun and dramatic to declare an imminent depression because of political maneuvers you don't agree with. Much like folks seem to enjoy hyperbole when predicting the next world war. When pundit-types talk of potential world war, however, it doesn't actually increase the likelihood there will be a world war. But when the Krugmans of the world scream "Depression!" it could actually tip the scales toward that outcome, since consumer and employer confidence play into an economy's performance.
- There was a worldwide depression in the 1870s, and then again in the 1930s. We may be past due for another.
- Our governments understand an awful lot more about macroeconomics and monetary policy -- and how to fix them when they go awry -- than their hopeless counterparts during previous depressions did.
- Did Krugman even bother to survey boxcars for hobos who might be carrying all their possession in a burlap sack, which they have attached to a stick? If he glossed over that most important of depression metrics (and we strongly suspect that he did), he really just needs to STFU.
- With serotonin-manipulating drugs, like Prozac, changing the very nature of depression, wouldn't it be more accurate to label this potential period of economic decline as "a time of affect-less emotional stability, accompanied by nausea, headaches and certain sexual side effects"?


























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Tuesday 29 June
By stafferty
We are not going into a depression by definition. A depression is a contraction in GDP that lasts multiple years, we only had GDP contraction for a few quarters. We, as Americans, are actually expeirencing GDP growth at this point, Income is up 0.4% in the last month and spending is up 0.3%. While we may not be hiring at a outrageously fast rate, large companies are sitting on large piles of cash. Manufacturing, one of the sectors that has been hammered in the recession, has actually grown jobs in the last five months. Credit availablity is still an issue to some economists, however it seems that rampant access to loans is what lead us into this mess, and the retraction of credit is a natural function of the marketplace. We will not be back down at 5% unemployment for a long period of time (3-5 years most likely), but it is plausible that we drop into the high 8s by the end of the year. People who say there is no good news in the economy have not been looking purely at the numbers for themselves. Yes, they have not been as good as expected, but they have been positive. Most people just do not hear about it because bad news sells more commercials.
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