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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title>A Brief History of Hitlers in America</title><link>http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/</guid><comments>http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/#comments</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>Filed under: <a href="http://www.asylum.com/category/politics/" rel="tag">Politics</a>, <a href="http://www.asylum.com/category/news/" rel="tag">News</a></p><a href="http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/"><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/09/adolf.hitler.getty.jpg" /></a>You might think there wouldn't be any Hitlers in America. But they're everywhere.<br /> <br /> There's a Randolph, a Sidney, a Sam and a Dave. Alfred E. Hitler. Pedro Hitler. Shawanda Hitler ... and many others who share a name with the man responsible for killing tens of millions while plunging the world into war.<br /><br />In fact, there are 50 or so Hitlers living in these 50 states and their history with our country goes back over 200 years. Given that this week <a target="_blank" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6119939/Poland-marks-70th-anniversary-of-Second-World-War.html">marks the 70th anniversary of the beginning of World War II</a>, it seems like an appropriate time (or completely inappropriate) to look at how the Hitler name lives on in America.<br /><strong><br /></strong><strong><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/09/circleville.hitler.park.jpg" id="vimage_3" alt="" />Hitler Central</strong><br />Hitlers first came to America in 1730, via packet ships from Great Britain. They fought in the French and Indian War, the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. <br /><br />In at least one American town, people aren't shy about the Hitler surname, they celebrate it. <a href="http://www.ci.circleville.oh.us/" target="_blank">Circleville, Ohio</a>, about 30 miles south of Columbus, is Hitler Central. <br /><br />How did Circleville become Hitler central? The family was, according to amateur genealogist Gene Hitler, the second to settle in the town that would become Circleville.<br /><br />"You could walk across Pickaway County and never get off their property," he notes. "The Hitlers were some of the early flatboaters, taking crops down to New Orleans in flatboats." Circleville has a <a target="_blank" href="http://www.wayodd.com/hitler-road-residents-want-street-name-changed/v/237/">Huber Hitler Road, Hitler Road 1, Hitler Road 2</a>, and, at the junction of Hitler Roads 1 and 2, the Hitler Ludwig Cemetery. <br /><br />"I could stand in the cemetery and walk down the line five generations," he says. "All my aunts and uncles and cousins are buried there. My grandfather. My grandmother's family." Given the history of Hitlers in America, Gene takes pride in his surname. <br /><br /><strong>A Name Is Just a Name</strong><br /><strong><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/09/little.hitler.getty.jpg" id="vimage_2" alt="" /></strong>For Gene, a retired engineer now living in Salt Lake City, the name has always been just a name, even during WWII. An 11-year-old living in Pocatello, Idaho, when the U.S. entered the war against Japan and Germany, Hitler encountered few problems. <br /><br />"I never had anyone malicious," he says. "Who would think that some kid, because his name was Hitler, that he would be out there cremating Jews?" Such acceptance wasn't the case for his older brother, Turney. "He was 19 when we entered the war. He had a different perspective than I did. He said people could be a little annoyed when they heard our name." <br /><br />Did Gene ever consider changing his name? "Of course not. Every once in a while, I get rude remarks, or people asking me why I don't change my name. I just ask them if I can use their name. Once I do that, they back off." <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">WWII -- An Interesting Time to Be a Hitler</span><br />Gene went to Germany after WWII as a staff sergeant in the Air Force, serving with the occupation forces in Munich. <br /><br />It was an interesting time to be a Hitler. One night, he sparked a riot that almost shut down the world-renowned Hofbr&auml;uhaus. He was out drinking beer with occupation forces from the four powers. Someone bought a souvenir postcard and had each person sign. Seeing his signature, one of his drinking buddies got upset, thinking Gene Hitler was being a wiseass. The men nearly came to blows. <br /><br />Then Hitler whipped out his ID card. The soldier grabbed it, showed it to the band leader and the place erupted in pandemonium. <br /><br />"It was forbidden for them to play any of the nationalistic songs, Nazi songs," recalls Gene. "When the band leader saw my ID card, they started playing "Deutschland Uber Alles." He announced they had Hitler with them. <br /><br />"The next thing I know people had me up on shoulders, marched me around the room. I remember someone, probably, a Pole or Czech, tried to knife me. I grabbed him and threw him down a landing. He hit the walls, and fell to the ground. I thought that killed him. Finally, the management knew they were in trouble. They came up, hustled their way to the bandstand, and the band started playing the Air Force song and "God Bless America" and our national anthem. It calmed the whole place down. I finally got my ID card back and left. One of the German newspapers published story, and the Hofbr&auml;uhaus almost got shut down over it." <br /><br /><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/09/chris.peter.hitler.jpg" id="vimage_2" alt="" /><span style="font-weight: bold;">I'd Like to Speak to Adolf</span><br />Peter Hitler (far left), who owns a real estate investment firm in Wisconsin with Chris Hitler (left), doesn't have the same fond memories attached to his last name but, like Gene, he doesn't have many negative ones either. <br /><br />"I rarely faced any problems," says Peter. "Sometimes, when I give my credit card to someone, they will look at the name and say, 'It must be hard to live with.' But I have never had any serious problems." <br /><br />Peter has never considered changing his name, nor have any of his relatives. Being a Hitler is not completely without problems, though. "I get phone calls asking for Adolf," he admits. But even that problem is diminishing. "I only get them two or three times a year," he says. "Ten years ago, it was once a month." Why the difference? "Maybe it's just that Hitler has been forgotten by the younger [generation]." Kids prone to prank calls today don't even know what WWII was. Those who do know, he says, don't seem to mind his last name. Mostly. <br /><br />"Quite honestly, as a real estate broker, many, many of my clients are Jewish," says Peter. "Other than one instance, when a person of the Jewish faith did not want to deal with me, there haven't been any problems." <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Any Relation?</span><br />Gene, Peter and nearly all of the Hitlers now living in America have no direct relation to the little dictator. But in a town called Patchogue, in Long Island, N.Y., there lived a landscaper and his children who actually were Der Fuhrer's blood relatives.<br /> <br />According to a 2006 <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/24/nyregion/24patchogue.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=william+patrick+hitler&amp;st=nyt" target="_blank">New York Times story</a>, William Patrick Hitler -- born in Liverpool in 1911 -- was the son of Alois Hitler Jr., who was Adolf Hitler's half-brother. Alois and Adolf shared the same father. The leader of the Third Reich reportedly called Willy his "loathsome nephew." Willy moved to Patchogue after World War II and raised four sons: Alexander, Louis, Brian and Howard, who died in a 1989 car wreck. The three surviving brothers are the last of Adolf Hitler's relatives.<br /> <br />A 2001 book by <a target="_blank" href="http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/02/05/last.hitlers.cnna/">David Gardner</a> "<a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Last-Hitlers-British-Nephew-Amazing/dp/0954154401/amazon.com-20">The Last of the Hitlers</a>" states the bloodline did not die out by accident. The brothers reportedly took an oath to remain childless to end Adolf Hitler's lineage.<br /><br />But Hitler, the name, will live on in America for many years to come. Andrea Hitler works with rental cars. Dennis Hitler is the head of a VFW in St. Louis. There's a George, a George Jr. and a George III. And yes, there are a bunch of Adolfs.<p style="clear: both; padding: 8px 0 0 0; height: 2px; font-size: 1px; border: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0;">&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent link to this entry">Permalink</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="http://www.asylum.com/forward/19149665/" title="Send this entry to a friend via email">Email this</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&amp;fc=1&amp;url=http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/" title="Linking Blogs">Linking&nbsp;Blogs</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-hitlers-in-america/#comments" title="View reader comments on this entry">Comments</a></p>]]></description><category>adolf hitler</category><category>AdolfHitler</category><category>genealogy</category><category>history</category><category>Hitler</category><category>World War II</category><category>WorldWarIi</category><dc:creator>Howard Altman</dc:creator><dc:date>2009-09-04T13:15:00+00:00</dc:date></item><item><title>Should Murderbilia Be Legal? Andy Kahan, Victim's Advocate</title><link>http://www.asylum.com/2009/01/28/should-murderbilia-be-legal-andy-kahan-victims-advocate/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.asylum.com/2009/01/28/should-murderbilia-be-legal-andy-kahan-victims-advocate/</guid><comments>http://www.asylum.com/2009/01/28/should-murderbilia-be-legal-andy-kahan-victims-advocate/#comments</comments><description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom: 1em; border-top-style: none;" class="paginator">
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In 1999, Kahan found an article about the sale of art by Arthur Shawcross on eBay and has been tracking murderbilia since. "I figured where there was one there were others." He did a search "and the names came pouring out," he says. As someone who is paid to help the victims of killers, Kahan "was under false delusion that you can't do that." Ah, but they could. And do. And the advent of the Internet has only made it easier, says Kahan.<br />
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<strong>Isn't profiting from murder illegal?</strong><br />
In 1991, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the "Son of Sam" law that was enacted to prevent killers from profiting from their crimes by selling items, or writing books or movies. The issue, ultimately, was that the law violated the killers' First Amendment rights. Since then, five states -- New York, California, Michigan, New Jersey and Utah -- have passed laws restricting killers not from exercising their First Amendment rights, but from profiting from them, explains Kahan.<br />
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<strong>It's legal to sell interstate</strong><br />
Someone selling an item from, say, Florida, can still legally sell them to someone in any other state, he says.<br />
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<strong>Taking murderbilia to Congress</strong><br />
Kahan helped to push a federal law known as the "Stop the Sale of Murderabilia to Protect the Dignity of Crime Victims Act of 2007" into Congress. Aimed at making it illegal for inmates in state and federal prisons to use the mail to send out items used for profit, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1528">S. 1528</a> was introduced by Senator John Cronyn of Texas but failed to pass. A similar bill introduced to the House of Representatives in 2007, also failed to pass.<br />
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<strong><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/12/joe.hiles.edit.jpg" />Joe Hiles: owner of SerialKillerCentral.com</strong><br />
Joe Hiles always had an interest in true crime books. "Mostly about serial killers," says the 30-year-old from Sabina, Ohio. "I once read a book about Richard Ramirez and in it, it said he spent his time in prison writing letters to people on the outside, so I thought I'd give it a try," says Hiles. Ramirez replied. "It kind of snowballed from there." Like Bohannon, Hiles began collecting and eventually started his own Web site - Serial Killer Central, or skcentral.com.<br />
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<strong>What's on Skcentral.com?</strong><br />
Aside from selling collectibles -- like a baseball autographed in prison by Manson and Juan Corona - skcentral.com has articles, discussion forums and rich media assets.<br />
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    <p class="caption">Charles Manson and Juan Corona autographed baseball, entitled "You Got It Cold Soul," 1999 Recently up for sale ($2,100) on Serial Killer Central.</p>
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    <p class="caption">A signed O.J. Simpson USC Trojans jersey. Simpson added the inscription "Heisman '68." Recently up for bid on MurderAuction.com.</p>
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    <p class="caption">A Charles Manson signed and fingerprinted piece entitled "Hanging Man" including a 13-inch lock of his hair. Includes signed prison documents pertaining to Involuntary Haircut at Corcoran Prison. Recently up for sale ($1,800) on SerialKillerCentral.</p>
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    <p class="caption">Issei Sagawa's semen in a vial. Picture of the murderer holding the vial is presented as authenticity. Recently up for bidding on MurderAuction.com.</p>
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<strong>Who buys this stuff? </strong><br />
"All kinds of people. Regular people like me mostly. Musicians, artists, actors ... I've heard that Johnny Depp has a couple Gacy paintings ... don't know if it's true or not though."<br />
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Hiles says he paid $200 for a prison-worn shirt belonging to Aileen Wuornos. "I got it from a guard that snuck it out of the prison the night she was executed," he says. "I have one item, from Jeremy Bryan Jones, that I bought from another collector. It's a tracing of his d*ck on a sheet of paper, and he came all over the paper so there's a nasty yellow stain all over it."<br />
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In 2005, John Evander Couey kidnapped, raped and murdered Lunsford's 9-year-old daughter Jessie.<br />
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<strong>What Lunsford thinks of Murderauction.com:</strong><br />
Earlier this year, Lunsford was shocked and disgusted to see a letter from Couey was being sold on Murderauction.com. "Why on earth would you want something like that?" asks Lunsford, who flies around the country lobbying for tighter controls over sexual predators like Couey.<br />
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"How happy could it make you to get a letter from a murderer -- and not just a murderer, but someone who raped and killed an innocent little girl? That sh*t should be illegal, man." Understandably, Lunsford can't fathom why anyone would want anything from a killer, let alone semen-stained shorts. <br />
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<strong>Are murderbilia collectors criminals?</strong><br />
Lunsford wonders if people who collect murderabilia aren't themselves predisposed to such vile acts. "When you buy the graffiti of people who commit murder, are you fantasizing about being like that person?" he asks. "We have created a monster with the Internet and now we have to control it. No one should be allowed to sell items that belong to murderers, child rapists or child pornographers."<br />
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"Is that your scam to get rich or make money?" asks a father whose daughter was raped and murdered. "Can't get a job? I will give you a job. If you can find all these things on your Web sites to hurt people, why not put your knowledge to work and find the pedophiles we can't find? There are only 150,000 of them."<br />
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Should a hobby that capitalizes on crime be legal? Legislators have tried to outlaw the practice, but would such a law also infringe on rights guaranteed by the Constitution?<br />
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We spoke with four people who have strong opinions about murderbilia: Tod Bohannon, operator of MurderAuction.com; Mark Lunsford, whose daughter was murdered; Joe Hiles, owner of SerialKillerCentral.com; and victims' advocate Andy Kahan.<br />
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<a href="http://www.asylum.com/2009/01/28/should-murderbilia-be-legal/">Read what they have to say, vote in our poll at the bottom of the page and tell us what you think</a>.<strong><img hspace="4" border="1" align="left" vspace="4" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/12/bohannon.edit.jpg" alt="" />Tod Bohannon: Operator, MurderAuction.com</strong><br />
Tod was 13 when he saw "Helter Skelter." For the son of an attorney mom and a detective dad, it was a life-changing event. "My mother suggested I write to Charlie Manson," he recalls. <br />
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They became pen pals. Every so often, Charlie calls him from prison. And that started Bohannon, 31, on a lifelong fascination with murderers.<br />
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<strong>What does he collect?</strong><br />
Paraphernalia from the sickest of the sick, serial killers. He claims to have teeth from several, but won't say who. "They send them to me for friendship ... these are people who have developed a trust in me. There are only so many teeth that can go out, only so many inmates going to lose teeth, if you can be one of them guys that get one of them teeth, you have done something."<br />
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<strong>Understanding Murderbilia fanatics</strong><br />
"Even though they have done some pretty horrific things, the monster the media shows you ... is not all that [murderers] are," says Bohannon. "They do have great personalities, some of them, some of them have huge hearts. When they were on the streets, [there was] a lot of turmoil that drove them, and now they have been [taken] out of that element, a lot of them see things more clearly than they did when on the street."<br />
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For Bohannon, it's all about making a connection with someone infamous. "A lot of them are good friends," he says. "I have shared a lot with a lot of them."<br />
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<strong>Why he started Murderauction.com:</strong><br />
With his own collection increasing, and knowing others with similar interests, Bohannon wanted a safe, secure way for people to buy, sell and exchange their trophies. Three years ago, he started Murderauction.com, an online site dedicated to murderbilia. It has about 800 members, he says. "I wanted a feeling of trust, like on eBay."<br />
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<strong>What's sold on </strong><strong>Murderauction</strong><strong>.com?</strong><br />
Killer collectors sell artwork, hair -- even a brick from Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment.<br />
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<strong>The oddest item?</strong><br />
The semen-stained underpants of Hadden Clark, sentenced for two killings and claiming to have killed more according to Serial Killer Data Base. Bohannon says he had to downplay that. "We are not at the point that we advertise he came in his shorts, that is even vile for me. I have some of his items -- a tissue and a Q-Tip he used. But I don't want his stained shorts. If he wants to wash them and send them, OK."<br />
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<strong>Murderbilia isn't new:</strong><br />
"When Billy the Kid was killed, someone took his guns," says Bohannon. "When Dillinger was shot, people were taking handkerchiefs and swabbing his blood. The people who bitch about this just don't understand." Killers, he says, are people, too.<br />
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<img width="274" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="135" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/armed_struggle.gif" /> If you haven't noticed, YouTube features much more troubling fare than old clips of "The Muppet Show" and comedy routines about the history of dance. Jihadi fighters regularly post deaths of U.S. soldiers, assassinations of civilians and other images intended to encourage violence against the West.<br /><br />In late May, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn) called for Google to take down these videos that include incendiary speeches by al-Qaida leadership.<br /><br />"Islamist terrorist organizations use YouTube to disseminate their propaganda, enlist followers, and provide weapons training," the senator wrote in a letter to Google. "YouTube also, unwittingly, permits Islamist terrorist groups to maintain an active, pervasive, and amplified voice."<br /><br />Responding on the YouTube blog, the editors thanked the senator for alerting them to videos that violated their policies, but stopped short of removing videos that don't have violence or hate speech: "[R}ather than stifle debate we allow our users to view all acceptable content and make up their own minds."<br /><br />YouTube may be the biggest site where pro-jihadi videos are posted, but it's far from the only one. For more than seven years, a small cadre of civilians, who often agree with Lieberman's stance, have taken it upon themselves to wage war on al-Qaida's hijacking of the information superhighway.<br /><br />But many in the intelligence community say these amateur detectives -- who spend their time trying to offending sites shut down or go online pretending to be terrorists to capture the real ones -- are doing more to cause trouble than solve crimes.
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<img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/bfm11422xs0.gif.gif" /> Shortly after 9/11, Glen Jenvey, an unemployed truck driver living near Stonehenge, began pretending to be a Pakistani man who believed in violent jihad. His counterterrorism, which took place in the second-floor study of his stone house, helped lead to the arrest of Abu Hamza al-Masri, one of Europe's most vitriolic clerics. <br /><br />"You have to hand it to these people," says an Indian military official who spoke on the condition that he only be identified as "the brigadier." Jenvey and other cybersleuths have "done some real work that has had some real results."<br /><br />Working as a private investigator in Sarasota, Fla., Bill Warner spends part of his day chasing errant spouses and the rest of his time tracking down jihadis. <br /><br />Playing a game of Internet Whack-a-Mole, Warner has helped take down nine jihadi Web sites in the past six months, including one of the most important, Alhesbah, a principal forum for supporters of al-Qaida. <br /><br />"I started with the Islamic Thinkers Society site in June of 2005, before it became all private and password protected," recalls Warner. "I downloaded a lot of their information and photos posted of U.S. servicemen being killed or their bodies mutilated after a firefight in Iraq or Afghanistan. I know what is posted on these Web sites; they need to be shut down."<br /><br />Beyond patriotism, cybersleuths state four main reasons for getting involved in the fight:<br /><br />-- Disruption of jihadi Web activities<br />-- Intelligence gathering<br />-- Amateurs are not bound by the legal restrictions governments are<br />-- Western governments aren't doing enough<br /><br />Yet government, military and counterintelligence officials counter that cybersleuths may be doing more harm than good.
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<img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/soldiers_on_fire.240.jpg" /> Everyone knows that you never really know who you are talking to on the Internet.<br /><br />Cybersleuthing opponents say that's one of several reasons to leave the work to the professionals:<br /><br />-- Cybersleuths can interfere with government activities.<br />-- There's potential to do more harm than good.<br />-- The work can be dangerous. Some cybersleuths report ongoing violent threats.<br /><br />"I do not believe it is a good idea for an amateur to pose as a jihadist to gain entry into a site such as Alekhlaas," says Paul Henry from <a target="_blank" href="http://www.securecomputing.com/">SecureComputing.com</a>, which routinely works with government officials investigating jihadis.<br /><br />"If the site is actively being monitored by a government agency, your action could result in wasted cycles of the agency taking a look at your activities that perhaps could be better spent investigating a real 'bad guy.'"<br /><br />FBI spokesperson Richard Kolko concurs. "There is inherent danger in conducting undercover operations and extensive training is required. ... Furthermore, for evidence to be used in court, it must be collected in ways that strictly follow the appropriate laws. Those who are not trained in this area may collect information or evidence that would not be admissible in court."<br /><br />But is the government doing enough to fight the war online?
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<object style="margin: 2pt 1em 1em 2pt; width="240" height="160"align="left" border="1"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/IWSePNs3Q08&amp;hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/IWSePNs3Q08&amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="240" height="160"></embed></object> When al-Qaida's No. 2 man Ayman al-Zawahiri wants the world to know about the group's latest terrorist attack, he uses the web as his bullhorn. <br /><br />A recent Senate report highlighted a letter to the former al-Qaida commander in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, from Ayman al-Zawahiri: "We are in a battle, and more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media. And that we are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our people."<br /><br />Al-Qaida members go online to recruit jihadis, raise money and train members with a combination of videos and manuals that teach bomb-making, combat techniques and building nuclear and biological weapons. <br /><br />"The propaganda war is being fought by al-Qaida and its affiliates on the Internet, and the USA hasn't even stepped onto the court," cautions Warner. Pro al-Qaida Web sites are filled with more than anti-U.S., Israel and Christian vitriol. There are beheading videos, images of American vehicles being blown up in Iraq and Afghanistan, calls for the slaughter of U.S. and Israeli citizens and predictions of imminent terror attacks.<br /><br />Warner's frustration with government "inaction" has inspired him to take the fight into his own hands by tracking Web sites and getting IP providers to shut down online terrorist destinations.<br /><br />Cybersleuths like Warner have infiltrated well-funded jihadi Web sites and wrought havoc. He says cybersleuths like him are stepping up to a job the government should be doing.
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<img width="210" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="210" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/manhatan.raid.gif" /> A Dallas housewife, who asks that she be identified only as Mrs. Galt, spends her days going online and chatting with, among others, lovelorn jihadis. <br /><br />A chain-smoking woman with big hair, Galt sits in a wood-paneled den pretending to be a Muslim-American sympathetic to Osama bin Laden. Using rough, software-created Arabic translations, she's gathered a great deal of actionable intelligence, according to the brigadier, that was used by Mumbai in its ongoing battles with Muslims in Kashmir. <br /><br />Her work has also gotten the attention of powerful forces close to home. One day, the FBI knocked on the door wanting to know why she was online talking about plans for terror attacks. That was the day Mrs. Galt's husband learned what she'd been doing during all that time at the computer. <br /><br />Former Montana judge Shannen Rossmiller says she has been involved in more than 200 operations as a cybersleuth. On <a href="http://www.shannenrossmiller.com/" target="_blank">Shannenrossmiller.com</a>, she lists some of her successes:<br /><br />-- Convincing a man in Pakistan that she was a male, extremist arms-dealer. After he offered her stolen U.S. stinger missiles for the jihad, he was arrested. <br /><br />-- Acting as a "terrorism banker" in an al-Qaida chat room, Rossmiller met a disgruntled American oil engineer named Michael Curtis Reynolds. The man claimed he was organizing a cell of Asian Muslims to truck-bomb three critical oil-storage hubs in the U.S., including the Alaska Pipeline. In 2006, Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.<br /><br />-- Meeting "Amir Abdul Rashid" in an al-Qaida chat room. He revealed himself as an American Muslim convert in Seattle, whose real identity is National Guard Specialist Ryan Anderson. Four months of e-mails snared Anderson, who was offering army battle plans and weapon secrets to al-Qaida. He was arrested and eventually convicted at court martial of trying to assist terrorists.<br /><br />But do these anecdotal success stories add up to a cohesive plan of attack? <br />
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<img width="191" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="132" border="1" align="left" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/batma.gif" alt="" />Amateur counterterrorists can't agree on whether it's wiser to keep jihad sites up in order to infiltrate them, or take them down to stop dissemination of propaganda.<br /><br />Warner fights to take down jihadi Web sites. Rossmiller wants sites like Alehklaas.info and Alhesbah.info -- main jihadi conduits for recruiting, training, fund-raising and propaganda -- to stay up so she can gain the trust of real-life jihadis and find out their plans.<br /><br />Rossmiller (and other like-minded cybersleuths) cite three main goals when pretending to be jihadis:<br /><br />-- <strong>Intelligence gathering</strong>: Learning what the jihadis are doing by talking to them.<br /><br />-- <strong>Stings</strong>: Rossmiller's online activities have resulted in several arrests, including that of a soldier in Washington State who thought he was selling classified data to al-Qaida.<br /><br />-- <strong>Mis/Disinformation</strong>: By posting erroneous information, cybersleuths hope to disrupt jihadi activities and create discord among groups and individuals.<br /><br />Despite the success of Rossmiller and others, many counterintelligence experts think these sites should be taken down as soon as possible.
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<img width="194" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="134" border="1" align="left" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/rgmay.gif" alt="" /> The Web offers a rare and valuable portal into jihadi activities that often take place in areas impossible to strike physically. <br /><br /> Jihadis take advantage of open U.S. communication technology by having some of their sites hosted by U.S. service providers, says Rossmiller, and we should continue to let them. "What is important to keep in perspective is that the jihadis are an enemy out of our reach in the real-world context, and in the online context they facilitate the use of the Internet as their weapon. This is where the inherent value in not disrupting the jihadi sites presents itself."<br /><br />Dr. Reuven Erlich, director of the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies in Israel, agrees the sites should stay up.<br /><br />"Taking sites off the Web is only a tactical, short-term solution," he says. "The terrorist and jihad organizations quickly find alternatives and go back online. Only a closely monitored cooperative international effort can improve the situation."<br /><br />Despite Erlich's assertions, those who want the sites down say their approach is more successful.
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<img width="234" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="170" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/cougar_explosion.jpg" /> As director of the Jihad and Terrorism Project at the Middle East Media Research Institute (<a href="http://memri.org/" target="_blank">MEMRI.org</a>), Eli Alshech spends his days monitoring jihadi Web sites. What he sees is terrifying. The Web sites help induce more people to blow up more targets and amplify the justification. <br /><br />"Those who advocate leaving those sites up -- e.g., intelligence agencies -- to allow better monitoring, assume that words, articles, and indoctrination have a less destructive force than a bomb. As an expert on religion and extremism I find this premise very odd. Whereas a bomb is undoubtedly destructive, its destruction radius is limited. In contrast, the negative effect of indoctrination is potentially endless. <br /><br />It is indoctrination that produces an ever-growing number of bomb carriers, and, no less importantly, the necessary audience that legitimizes and thus helps perpetuate the use of bombs against civilians. Hence, without indoctrination, jihad groups would find it more difficult to recruit bombers -- especially in Western countries -- and may find themselves operating in an Islamic audience highly critical of their actions. Our experience shows that such critical environment almost always restrains jihad organizations -- even in Iraq."<br /><br />But even Alshech agrees that the question of what to do with the sites is separate from whether average citizens should get involved.
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<img width="274" vspace="4" hspace="4" height="135" border="1" align="left" alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2008/06/armed_struggle.gif" /> Fighting jihadis, says the intelligence community, is complicated, dangerous work that takes training and skills -- including fluency in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and other languages -- far beyond the capability of cybersleuths.<br /><br />Amateur cybersleuthing, for the most part, "has no real value to it," says Carlos Paez, a counterintelligence planner at U.S. Central Command in Tampa who includes monitoring jihadi communications on his daily to-do list. "The most you can do is knock a Web site off line. I can tell you right now if I got knocked off line, I would go to another service provider and in an hour, be back up."<br /> <br />There is another concern. Men and women working on their own time make finding bad guys a self-fulfilling prophesy, according to Clint Watts, former FBI agent and terror analyst at West Point.<br /><br />"These sleuths often search and find connections that aren't there," says Watts, now a principle at international security firm PJ Sage. "They create virtual networks that don't add up on the ground and overstate the connections between AQ affiliates and AQ central because that is what they are looking for. On the Internet, if you look hard enough, you'll always find what you are looking for." <br /><br />Worse, says Dean Boyd, spokesperson for the National Security Division of the Department of Justice, is that cybersleuths can endanger ongoing investigations or cross the line into illegality.<br /><br />"There is always a danger that members of the public could unknowingly stumble across, disrupt, or even impede a federal investigation should they attempt to conduct undercover investigations on their own," Boyd says. "And, if a member of the public knowingly commits a crime in conducting an undercover investigation, he or she could be held liable. For these and other reasons, we recommend that undercover investigations be left to trained law enforcement professionals."<br /><br /><iframe width="250" scrolling="no" height="175" frameborder="0" align="right" title="You Decide" src=" http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modular.jsp?template=1567&amp;view=142705&amp;pollId=142854&amp;channel=aol_us_news&amp;popup=yes"></iframe>In mid-May, cybersleuth Bill Warner posted a video on YouTube of a suicide bomber blowing himself up at a checkpoint in Iraq to make a point about what's happening "in the war for minds with jihad propaganda that incites would-be terrorists to violence against the USA."<br /><br />The result? YouTube removed Warner's video for having inappropriate content.
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